Showing posts with label cycle computer. Show all posts
Showing posts with label cycle computer. Show all posts

Monday, June 27

Cateye Commuter - Flawed Good Idea

Speedy Steve - Note the MXS! Either That or Cateye Lies
I've now had my Cateye Commuter for quite some time now and it's time to do a "once you've gotten used to it" report. Originally, I did a fairly extensive report on it here.

DISLIKED STUFF
Pretty much all the stuff I didn't like then, I STILL don't like. What's more, despite many added attempts and careful reading of the manual, I never WAS able to set the date on the computer. Fortunately, the date doesn't do anything useful and is very difficult to access in any event. I can access the total mileage, but it is about a ten minute exercise that involves removing the computer from the bike and fiddling while referencing the manual. Newly discovered is that the computer, in addition to its other foibles, occasionally picks up interference, possibly from traffic signal induction sensors of all things. As may be seen above, at the place I noticed the computer's transgression, it recorded a maximum speed of 62.5mph, which is quite a feat for a cyclist stopped at a traffic light. I suggest that if you have a bike with a wheel generator and are considering this unit, that you get it from a place you are sure will take it back if the generator causes peculiar computer behavior. One other feature I didn't comment on earlier is that, unlike many OTHER Cateye computers, this one doesn't wake up by itself when you start out again. You have to punch it a little and then, punch it again if you want to reset it.Finally, if you're wearing polarized sunglasses, the display can look a bit overdone unless you peer below the lenses.

LIKED STUFF
Other than its foibles and the nonexistent backlight, this computer has worked completely reliably. It is also amusing to see just how high I can get the temperature reading to go when riding over dark pavement in the sun. My record so far is 119F. Finally, the big numbers are nice, and easy to read. All in all, it is a nice computer and would really be a good deal if it cost about $25. Unfortunately, it is more than double that price, so I recommend you consider waiting until you can get something like the Cateye Vectra Wireless” on sale - for about $25. It is what I run on the road bike and I got a second one (for $25) at the Hotter 'N Hell 100 last fall.


STUFF I NO LONGER CARE ABOUT
When I finished up my v2 commute, I never got around to resetting the commute distance. Since the new commute is only seven miles and the distance can only be set in full miles, it would give me as much as a 20% error in ETA. As it is, I know it takes me 35 minutes to ride to work if I'm not pushing hard and that it takes me an hour to return home, counting coffee dawdling time. So now, this computer usually runs so that I see the current speed and total distance since reset. Mostly, my total bike mileage is determined from my commute logs, since the computer makes it a PIA to get that number off it more than once or twice a year. Besides, none of my liberal friends were ever willing to buy carbon offsets off me anyway...

Wednesday, June 8

Speedy Day

Recently, I've been looking a lot closer at my Cateye cycling computer. It started mostly because I suspected it exaggerated the temperature on hot days. As would be natural, this happens more when the computer is in the sun, but appears to happen even in the shade. Still, I didn't buy it to tell me the precise temperature and barometric pressure. I got it when I was riding 20 miles to work and it gave me a pretty good arrival time estimate.

Yesterday, however, the computer decided that flattery was in order. You see, it told me I was riding at 62.5MPH. If true, that'd be an all time record for me on flat terrain. It was even better, because there was a bit of a side wind at the time.

There was only one LITTLE problem. At the time, I was stopped at a traffic light. I really wish I'd gotten a photo because it settled down by the next time I stopped. I guess this is the speed record that got away.

My alternate title for this post: "Fried Cateye Brains."

Friday, July 16

Give Cateye Credit for Effort

After much looking at fancy, heart rate bike computers and GPS stuff, I elected to keep life simpler, and I purchased a “Cateye Commuter” for Buddy. I moved the “Cateye Vectra Wireless” from Buddy to the road bike, where it replaces the now-disgraced worthless French bike computer. The “Commuter” is a new model that came out this spring from Cateye, and it is intended specifically for bike commuters. It lacks expensive gewgaws such as cadence, heart rate, and computer download connection, but that stuff is mostly irrelevant for commuting. Since the “Commuter” has an elapsed time function, cadence is easy to determine anyway.

Anyway, the “Commuter” differs from most other cycle computers in five ways. Three of these are very nice, one would be nice if I could only figure out how to get it to work again, and one is worthless marketing hype.

THREE VERY NICE FEATURES
No Buttons – The “Commuter” is designed so that you do not have to push any buttons to make it change functions. Cateye accomplished this via a mount that rocks when you push down on the rear of the unit, pushing a mode button on the back. This is a big improvement over Cateye “single button” units, because you can change functions even if you have ski mittens on. Heck you could change mode by pushing it with your nose if you were so inclined. I suspect the “button underneath” is also less susceptible to water intrusion when caught in a North Texas downpour.

ETA – The “Commuter” contains an “Estimated Time of Arrival” function. I set mine manually, for my commute distance of 20 miles. Riding TO work, I arrived three minutes before the estimate. The estimate would have been closer, except my ride to work is nearly a half mile shorter than the return trip home. Going home, the unit did not do as well. It failed to anticipate a leisurely stop at a major coffee chain in its ETA; post-coffee, it predicted I would arrive home a minute earlier than my actual arrival. I have one caveat to mention about this ETA function. The computer only increments distance settings in full miles. Since a typical bike commuter will cover a mile in four to five minutes, this means a nonrandom ETA prediction error of as much as three minutes. You’ll soon learn what the nonrandom error is on your commute, and mentally account for it. If you commute with the ETA display activated, you’ll also notice that most of the time you are riding FASTER than the average speed, because of stopping delays (signs and lights) that slow each of us down. Using commute distance to the nearest tenth, and allowing selection of “commute distance 1” versus “commute distance 2,” (many people have more than one commute route) would have made this significantly more useful.

Temperature – The computer displays temperature in the units of your choice. Temperature is a subject of great interest to me when I commute, as it relates to how much water I’m sweating off in summer, and how quickly stuff will go numb in winter. I’m not sure there are other bike computers in this price range that have temperature display.

IT’D BE NICE ITEM
The computer contains a backlight. According to the instructions, this lights for a few seconds when the display is pushed. There’s also a separate “light” button on the back. This would be a very handy feature for me in the portions of the year in which a significant portion of my commute is in the dark. It actually DID this the first time I used the computer, but somehow the feature turned off. I know the backlight still works because I can light it if I take the computer off the bike and push the “light” button. Oh, well, I guess I’ve got a couple of months before this becomes a serious irritant. Perhaps poring through the instructions again will lead to clarity.

WORTHLESS MARKETING HYPE
Cateye has gotten silly in one regard with the “Commuter.” Their PR hypes this computer for a totally useless “Carbon Offset” feature that somebody imagined ought to be of great and unique interest to bike commuters. As in the review, here, and I see the same schlock in other reviews. Even if I were interested in how much carbon my commute might be saving, such information is totally useless to me on the road. What’s more, it’s easier and quicker to compute the information manually, based on simple mileage, than to get it to come up on the “Commuter.” Still, I tried hard to make this feature useful. I queried all our office liberals (contrary to public opinion, there ARE a few left wingers in North Texas), in an attempt to find one that would purchase carbon offsets from me. I was willing to be quite reasonable on the price. None of them were willing to put their money where their mouths are, so the “Commuter Carbon Offset” feature appears unlikely to turn into a Steve profit center. OTOH, perhaps some loyal reader might be interested in purchasing offsets? Email to imgullible@moremoneythansense.com and we’ll discuss it. Do it for the planet!

There’s an irritant associated with this useless carbon offset feature as well. Despite repeated attempts, and careful rereading of the instructions, I have been unable to set the date on this computer, beyond switching between m/d and d/m format. As far as I can tell, the only things it actually uses the date for is for this carbon offset feature, and as a display when the computer is approaching “sleep mode.” After consideration, this inability to set the date is not all bad. I’ll have a handy record of how many tons of carbon emissions I have kept out of the atmosphere since I first got the computer, which may be more useful than knowing it in strict calendar terms. I have no idea why Cateye picked displaying the date when the computer nears sleep mode. I’ve never really had any notion that date display was something I cared about in such a device, compared to total mileage, which is NOT simple to access on this computer, but which helps me decide when to purchase wear components such as brake pads, and when to go through items and check to make sure fasteners are not coming loose.

BOTTOM LINE
This is a fairly useful computer for commuting, subject to the caveat about the ETA distance. If I can get the backlight working again, that’ll also be an excellent “in the dark” commuting feature not included in most bike computers in this price range. The carbon offset feature mostly provides me with something to make fun of Cateye about. Considering it cost me about the same amount as a Cateye Strada, it’s a better value than a Strada for a commuter, and particularly for a commuter whose commute is a consistent distance, consisting of a nearly integer number of miles or kilometers. I imagine that Cateye will get better at making a computer that is useful to commuters, but it is to their credit that they have made an attempt, and actually succeeded in some elements of that attempt.

USEFUL COMMUTER COMPUTER FEATURES THE CATEYE LACKS
Until I saw the “Cateye Commuter,” I’d never really thought about what I’d like in a commuter bike computer, but there are really quite a number of useful things that might not be nearly so useful for general riding, or even for noncommute utility cycling. I would love to someday be able to reminisce about the “Commuter” as the first attempt at what became a distinct market niche for bike computers. Here’s stuff I’d like to see incorporated in future bike commuter computers.
  • Multiple commute distances, set to the nearest tenth of a mile or kilometer
  • “Feels like” temperature in addition to actual temperature (I wouldn’t pay much extra for this feature)
  • Wind speed and direction (I wouldn’t pay much extra for this feature, either)
  • Estimated “on bike” time at completion. My personal record stands at one hour, nineteen minutes. If I have a shot at a new record, I wouldn’t mind if my computer mentioned it to me. “On bike” time is different than elapsed time, which typically excludes traffic stops due to lights and signs. The “Commuter” already has this information, it just doesn’t provide it.
  • Function that allows you to get a good ETA if you multimode commute, such as if you ride the TRE on part of your commute, which I did occasionally on my old commute. Basically, you’d add a time increment to the on-bike mileage.
  • Setup for multiple bikes (lots of people commute on more than one bike)
  • Time until dawn and dusk. The computer’s got a calendar & time, and knows what time I started, so it could compute sunrise/sunset, knowing a latitude. With this info, it could also estimate how much battery I’ll be using and how long until it gets light or dark.
  • Estimated headlight battery life remaining. The computer could do this quite simply, by just tracking how many hours of darkness have been encountered and subtracting that from the “battery life” value entered by the owner.
  • Simpler setup. I don’t need instructions in Japanese, but I WOULD appreciate them not being harder to follow than similar products from the same company.
  • Allow the user to set what gets displayed before the unit goes to sleep. Seeing the wrong date in the “Commuter” irritates me anew each time I see it.
  • Include a headlight mount in the unit’s bracket, so it clears up some handlebar room. This’d have the added benefit of increasing light sales by whoever includes this feature.
  • Don’t complicate things with the useless carbon offset.
What added features would you add for a commuter computer?

Sunday, June 20

My D#$% French Fries

The Appeal of the Mavic Wintech
May Be Seen in its Sender/Quick Release
The French are renowned for their food. I don't think it was because of French Fries, which really have nothing at all to do with France, but the title WAS one of my favorite lines from "Breaking Away."

The French were once great in manufacturing bicycles and bicycle components. Mavic is still near the top when it comes to wheels and rims. My road bike has Mavic wheels and I'm looking for an affordable set of Ksyriums. I LOVE Mavic wheels. On the other hand, I don't think the French are real great at electronics, though Mavic tries real hard.

A case in point is their Wintech line of cycle computers. My Wintech is referred to by me as my "worthless French bike computer." I've got a low-end Cateye wireless computer on my commute bike, and it has never given me any trouble whatsoever. It has exactly one button for normal operation. The Wintech is a different story.

Here's why.

I purchased a Wintech several years ago. Actually, it was about five or six years ago. Wireless computers were not so common as they are nowadays. Wanting a clean installation, without having to zip tie a sensor to the fork, the Mavic Wintech computer appealed to me because its sensor is integrated into the quick release. Elegant solutions such as this appeal to the engineer in me. The computer was fairly high end for its day, including a cadence option, though I got mine for far less by virtue of it being "pre owned."

I installed it with no troubles and it even seemed to work right - most of the time. Occasionally, the sensor would get confused and I'd clip along at an indicated 0.0MPH, but it would then realize its error and indicate the speed again. The first sign that the French are not quite world class in electronics was the way that the clock would gain time over a period of weeks. Still, it isn't hard to subtract 15 minutes to the indicated time on a bike you ride every day. Even my Cateye has gained five minutes over the year I've had it.

The Wintech, however, had other tricks that have led to its current nickname of "worthless French bike computer." Last year, it started losing pairing between the sensor and the computer. Fortunately, I've kept the manual, so I didn't have too much trouble resetting things (it'd be tough without a manual since this is NOT intuitive). During the Hotter 'n Hell 100, it finally decided it didn't want me to go the distance, and I figured it needed a new battery. Well, it worked fine afterwards, for about a week. Fiddling with the sensor orientation would occasionally help, as did bending the little contact inside, but by this time, I was noticing a stark contrast between the Mavic and the Cateye. The Mavic was a high-maintenance French courtier, while the Cateye just worked - ALL the time.

I began to notice other things as I got to the point where I had the Wintech manual memorized. The manual is 102 pages long. Of course, only 12 of those pages are in English. The Cateye manual, on the other hand, is localized, and I don't happen upon the Finnish or Japanese version by accident.

Anyway, while I LOVE the idea of a wireless computer sensor integrated into the quick release, I wish someone good at electronics would do it. I imagine that such things could be sold as accessories to major wireless units. After my recent medical experiences, I've considered getting a new computer. Something with heart-rate and that I could use for who knows what. Interestingly, Mavic does have such a computer, but I think I recall what Scotty said on Star Trek - "Fool me once and shame on you. Fool me twice and shame on me!" With a Mavic heart rate monitor, I'd be worried about getting electorcuted.

Cateye and Garmin seem to be in the lead for such a high tech computer. I would, however, be reluctant to spend more money on a bike computer than I spent on the whole road bike, so I'll probably soldier on with "the worthless French bike computer" until tweaking no longer works. Now I bought a new sensor. Unfortunately, the Mavic manuals and website give no compatibility info, so we'll have to see if things work together.
Display of "the Worthless French Bike Computer"
PS: In an amusing bit of trivia, Mavic Wintech computer magnets do NOT work with Mavic wheels that use bladed spokes. They do offer a special magnet for those want to use their Mavic products together.